{"id":7791,"date":"2017-10-22T21:59:29","date_gmt":"2017-10-22T20:59:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/interviews\/esfir-dener\/"},"modified":"2020-02-14T12:59:41","modified_gmt":"2020-02-14T11:59:41","slug":"esfir-dener","status":"publish","type":"interviews","link":"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/","title":{"rendered":"\u0415\u0441\u0444\u0456\u0440 \u0414\u0435\u043d\u0435\u0440"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>\u041a\u0438\u0448\u0438\u043d\u0456\u0432, \u041c\u043e\u043b\u0434\u043e\u0432\u0430 <\/em><\/p>\n<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-7791 gallery-columns-6 gallery-size-thumbnail'><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi001\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI001-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15104\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI001-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI001-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15104'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is my mother Pesia Dener, nee Gutman. This photo was taken in Falesti in the 1920s.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi002\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI002-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15105\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI002-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI002-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15105'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is my mother Pesia Dener, nee Gutman. My mother was born in the town of Yedintsy in the north of Bessarabia in 1892. This photo was taken in Falesti in the 1920s. \n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi003\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI003-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15106\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI003-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI003-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15106'>\n\t\t\t\t This is my father Boris Dener. My father was born in Kishinev in 1884. This photo was taken in Falesti in the 1920s.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi004\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI004-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15107\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI004-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI004-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15107'>\n\t\t\t\tThis my sister Sarah Dener. This photo was taken in Falesti in 1923. My sister Sarah was born in Falesti in 1918.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi005\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI005-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15103\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI005-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI005-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15103'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me on a construction site. This photo was taken in Chernovtsy in 1947. I was photographed bringing a pot of milk to the Hungarian prisoners-of-war working on the construction site.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi006\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI006-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15108\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI006-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI006-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15108'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the title sheet from a book by Gorky from the library in the camp in Nyrob settlement, Perm region. I read aloud from it to the prisoners in 1952. \n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi007\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI007-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15109\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI007-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI007-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15109'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a page from my camp diary that I kept from 1951-1954. I wrote with a pencil because pens were forbidden.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi008\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI008-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15110\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI008-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI008-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15110'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me, Esfir Dener (the first on the right) with a group of former political prisoners after the release from the camp. The photo was taken in Nyrob settlement Perm region in 1956. The first man from the left is doctor Koretskiy sentenced to 25 years for falling in love with a young Romanian girl in 1945 and staying behind in the hospital. \n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi009\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI009-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15111\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI009-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI009-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15111'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me performing. The photo was taken in Nyrob, Perm region in 1955. I was in exile in this town, on 1 May there was an amateur concert and we performed on the makeshift stage on a truck with the portraits of Lenin and Stalin in the background. \n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi010\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI010-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15112\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI010-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI010-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15112'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me with friends. The photo was taken in Nyrob, Perm region in 1957. This photograph was taken after I was released from exile. On my left is my husband Igor Golubin.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi012\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI012-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15113\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI012-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI012-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15113'>\n\t\t\t\tThis my sister Sarah Dener and her husband Jacques Levenson. This photo was taken in Bucharest in 1963.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi013\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI013-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15114\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI013-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI013-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15114'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me in the hostel in Krikovo near Kishinev. The photo was taken in 1967. My cousin Viktoria was asking me how long I was going to live in the Ural and wanted me to come back to Moldova. I finally decided to try, and moved to Kishinev in 1964.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi014\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI014-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15115\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI014-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI014-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15115'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me while on a walk with my dog Rex. The photo was taken in Kishinev in 1978 in Ryshkanovka near the lake. I bought Rex as a puppy and he stayed with me for 16 years. \n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi015\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI015-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15116\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI015-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI015-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15116'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me in Kishinev in the 1980s. A street photographer took this picture of me in the main street of the town, Lenin Street. \n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi016\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI016-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15117\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI016-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI016-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15117'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me (on the right) with my sister Sarah Dener in my apartment. The photo was taken in Kishinev in 1988, when my sister came from Israel to visit me.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi017\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI017-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15118\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI017-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI017-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15118'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is my rehabilitation certificate, issued by the Republican Prosecutor office in Kishinev in 1994. The paper is of different colors because there were two documents and I have the sheets of each one left.\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/uk\/intervyu-uk\/esfir-dener\/moedi018\/#main'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI018-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-15119\" srcset=\"https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI018-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/trans-history.centropa.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/MOEDI018-45x45.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-15119'>\n\t\t\t\tThis is me in my apartment. 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